I remain a liberal Zionist, and regard the urge to gather and to form a coherent society, in Israel/Palestine as a liberation, accompanied by zero-sum war and later unnecessary suppression.

The political arguments about solution are of four possibilities:
1. Zionist dominated single state
2. Anti-Israeli single Palestinian state
3. Mutual healthy national states
4. Genuinely democratic single state

Your comments opposing the presence and invocation of racially hateful statements as a component of advocacy for Palestinian human rights and for advocacy of a single democratic state, have added to the credibility of your conclusions, and provided a basis for Zionists and others to listen respectfully to the experience and range of political proposals by Palestinians.

I personally believe that only with efforts at mutual humanization is either a viable single state or a viable two-state approach possible.

I fail to see why Ali continues to say Greta has changed her story. Her comments have been posted in dozens of places already. It's interesting that Ali either blocks the commenter, blocks the TWEETS from them, or blocks the people who have testified that they have seen Greta's consistent comments.

I'm sure he won't post mine either.

Why does Ali refuse to print this statement from Greta? Posted to several sites....

This is ALL that happened regarding a video I wanted to park in a small group and watch later

1. I grabbed the video out of a group of 1000 people, a group that is private
2. I meant to park it into a group of 30+ people that is secret (to watch it later), but I never checked the settings before I hit SHARE, because I was in a hurry.
3. I did not watch the video. Why would I have watched the video? I was in a hell of a hurry and was traveling like crazy those four days. I would have watched it in the small group. Would we have had a discussion on it? Probably. We discuss all kinds of things as you can see from the attached conversation
4. I did not know my personal Facebook page was connected to the Free Gaza TWITTER page. There are 3300 TWEETS on the Free Gaza page, and you all attacked me for this mistake without even giving me a chance to clarify or figure out what had happened.
5. Free Gaza apologized on the front page of the website, using the language that Ali Abunimah gave us.
6. I apologized on the front page of Free Gaza after I figured out what had happened. That should have been the end of it.

I never said a word about the video. I never hit LIKE. In fact, I have been demonized, not for the mistake I made, but for the assumption that surely I MUST have said something to merit all of this hatred. I assure you, I did not.

Greta Berlin

Ali says, "When the video was posted on 28 September it was neither preceded nor followed by any interactions that would fit the description that it “was shared with a group of people who were discussing propaganda and racism, and this link was an example of the terrible propaganda that could be spewed on websites.” This context does not exist."

Ali was in the wrong group (he managed a convoluted apology in the middle of some excuses posted by Benjamin Doherty). However, he failed to acknowledge that he was in the wrong group and continues to lie about it. As Greta repeatedly has said, she took that video from the large group and meant to put it into the small group. She posted on her wall instead, so of course there was no conversation in the small group. There was, however, the beginnings of a conversation in the larger group called Our Land.

If anything Ali has verified Greta's story

Thank you, Ali, for the excellent work you've been doing on this issue since this debacle came to light. Thank you also for the acknowledgement of my article "Plumbing the Depths of Greta Berlin's "Secret Group"". This is part I of a series, based on research done by myself and several good friends, that will examine in greater detail the sort of people and organisations that have managed to insinuate themselves into the Palestinian solidarity movement.

I would like to say that there is someone else worthy of recognition, indeed worthy of much more recognition than I.

Emma Rosenthal of http://cafeintifada.wordpress.org has been addressing the issue of the white supremacist attempts to hijack the Palestinian solidarity movement for much longer than I have been.

The thanks she has received thus far for her work over the past several years have been decidedly underwhelming. In addition to being placed on the Masada2000 SHITList and blacklisted by her union for her work raising awareness of the oppression of the Palestinian people, she has found herself smeared, attacked, and ostracised by supposed comrades in the movement for her work addressing the white supremacists who have been tolerated in our midst (more than once, her surname alone has been used as an "argument" against her).

Emma has educated a lot of people on this issue over the years, myself included. As the rest of this sordid tale unfolds, we would be righting a great wrong - not just to Emma, but to the movement as a whole - by acknowledging that the concerns she has been attacked, smeared, and ostracised for raising are justified.

The mess we are cleaning up now is largely a result of people dismissing these issues, which have long been raised by Emma (as well as by myself, Jinjirrie of http://www.kadaitcha.com, and a number of others). This moment will be utterly in vain if we don't learn from it the importance of Granting No Quarter to white supremacists and bigots.

I deeply appreciate your analysis of this, and your ongoing work to end the occupation without descending into anti-Semitism. Ken yirbu - may there be more like you.

All I hear is antisemism when racist would be more appropriate , to give Jews their own form of racism is surely singling them out from the rest of humanity and is in itself antisimetic

I posted the video in "Our Land" with the text.
“This will be a real thought provoker for some.”
Our land has 30-40 Zionists in it ..... out of over 1000 members.
Does Ali seriously believe that is the secret group Greta had in mind.
Is it possible Greta is in more than 1 secret group.
Do you think Greta's secret group would have over 100 members in it & include Zionists.
Well I wouldn't & if anyone doesn't have serious doubts about Ali's version of events , you would have doubts about Greta's ability to keep secret 2 large boats that the might of the Israeli forces couldn't find.

Ali Abunimah needs a reality check.
All credit to Ali if he allows this to be pasted.
It would be one step for his credibility to be restored.

Terrible car bomb in Beirut. Many wounded, some killed.

Roger Salisbury claims there are 30-40 zionists in our land. There was one, Rafi, who has waved the flag of a centrist and has similar views to myself. On Roger's challenge I entered the group and saw, in the 3 weeks I was there, Jews blamed for African slave trade, Bolshevikism, Stalin, manufacturing the holocaust, inflating the number of victims of the holocaust, being responsible for 50% of US debt and even responsible for the degradation of christian moral values and the spread of homosexuality. It is a hate group. To Greta's credit, Joachim martillo was booted(but then he had been booted and reinvited previously) when I left. I have always had civil discourse as Greta and we both want a one state solution(though different ways of achieving those aims.) Still, she has made the comments about zionists working with the Nazis previously, so I do not think this video posting was something unusual-just its wider release.

These are the words of Roger Salisbury who is defending Greta at present, with friends like this who needs enemies:

"Roger G Salisbury
NAZIS
- Who Knows that the Roman Empire was the longest running empire in the world?
- Who Knows it demanded Caesar worship?
- Who knows the ONLY people not required to bow to Caesar were the Jews?
- Who Knows that The Jews infiltrated the Corridors of Power within the Roman administration
- Who Knows that The Jews STILL infiltrate the Corridors of Power of many administrations .(some say most)
- Who knows Jews are a divided people & always have been?

- Who knows in WWII that they collaborated against themselves & with the NAZIS?"

This situation is so frustrating. Ali Abunimah is doing and has done awesome work in shining the light on the human rights and civil rights violations of Palestinians by the illegal Apartheid state of Israel. Greta Berlin has spent decades opposing the illegal Israeli Occupation of all of Palestine. I respect both of them. It is sad that so much attention is being spent on Greta by people who are dedicated to pro-justice for Palestine and Palestinians and to end the illegal Israeli collective punishment/blockade/siege of Gaza, West Bank and al-Quds - aka Jerusalem.

It is always important to stop racism whenever it shows up. I still have a very difficult time seeing from what I have read in all of this that Greta is anti-semitic/anti-Jewish.

I stand in solidarity with Greta, she has dedicated her life to oppose the horrible illegal Apartheid Israeli Occupation/collective punishment that is ongoing. Does she make mistakes? Yes. Is she sometimes flippant? Yes. But I don't believe and haven't been convinced that she is secretly anti-semitic.

I have understood that Ann Wright was removed as a passenger on the Estelle, which is on its way to Gaza, because she expressed support for Greta and is on the Advisory Board of Free Gaza Movement. Ann would have been the sole American citizen onboard the ship. This has really gone too far.

When Gilad Atzmon was doing his book tour regarding his book "The Wandering Who?" there was a lot of attacking going on. Sometimes we need to agree to disagree without the mudslinging.

Greetings Ali,
I apologize, I didn't mean that you had slung any mud. I should have been more direct in my comment. I think that Greta's comment to you, calling you Ali Ayatollah, was totally uncalled for and absolutely disrespectful to you.

I know that Greta can be flippant, and this is part of the problem.

Donna

I still think the decision to disinvite Ann Wright on the Estelle signals that this has gone too far. I agree that it's not about Ann Wright, Greta Berlin or any of these activists as individuals. It's about the cause. However, deciding that someone like Ann Wright is too 'toxic' to sail merely because she put in a mild word of support for Greta is a disastrous organizing principle. She clearly has partaken in none of the questionable activity or made such statements as Greta has. We shouldn't cut good people out of the movement in our efforts to expunge the racists intruders.

Ali, since you are leading the charge against the laissez-faire attitude towards racist and bigoted interlopers (which is necessary), it would be helpful if you also expended an effort to contain the damage done to the rest of us, such as the decision by the Estelle crew to suddenly throw Ann Wright overboard. That was simply stupid and it sets a bad precedent.